Carl at Semroc had a phone conversation with Rick Piester of Estes/Hobbico.
Here's the link to his post from earlier today:
http://forums.rocketshoppe.com/showthread.php?t=7544&page=21&pp=10
A licensing agreement has been reached!
I can go to the Bunnell launch tomorrow and all the conversation will be upbeat!
Friday the 13th wasn't an unlucky day at all.
Showing posts with label Corporate nonsense. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Corporate nonsense. Show all posts
Friday, August 13, 2010
End of SEMROC? What's this?
I just went to the Semroc site to check on some nose cone profiles for an upcoming project.
From their home page I went to: "The Classics, 1954-1995"
Any model that was previously listed under "Company" as Estes is now listed as "Classics".
All other manufacturers, Centuri, AMROCS, FSI etc., are still listed by name.
I haven't been to that page in a few weeks.
Was this done before Carl got the letter from the law firm?
I'm not trying to stir the pot, I just found it interesting.
From their home page I went to: "The Classics, 1954-1995"
Any model that was previously listed under "Company" as Estes is now listed as "Classics".
All other manufacturers, Centuri, AMROCS, FSI etc., are still listed by name.
I haven't been to that page in a few weeks.
Was this done before Carl got the letter from the law firm?
I'm not trying to stir the pot, I just found it interesting.
End of SEMROC? Follow ups
Rick Piester's follow up sounds optimistic, especially the fourth paragraph:
http://www.oldrocketforum.com/showpost.php?p=97827&postcount=84
Lets' hope so.
http://www.oldrocketforum.com/showpost.php?p=97827&postcount=84
Lets' hope so.
Thursday, August 12, 2010
End of SEMROC? Thoughts
I really doubt an Estes representative or employee in Penrose had much to do with the letter that went to Semroc.
Those decisions were probably handled through the corporate offices at Hobbico.
Hobbico can't stop anyone from selling body tubes, but they might ask vendors not to use the Estes catalog numbers.
Anyone can buy and resell tubing from Euclid.
Those decisions were probably handled through the corporate offices at Hobbico.
Hobbico can't stop anyone from selling body tubes, but they might ask vendors not to use the Estes catalog numbers.
Anyone can buy and resell tubing from Euclid.
Wednesday, August 11, 2010
The End of SEMROC?
I'm sure by now most have read this thread:
http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=123088#post123088
It's a sad day for rocketry.
After all the good will shown at the recent NARAM, Estes/Cox drops this bomb.
How is Semroc a threat to Estes?
Of all the reproduction vendors, Semroc has shown respect and tribute to Estes, Centuri, FSI and even Rock-a-Chute designs.
How can Estes claim they own the Copyright to the Saturn 1B or Arcas designs?
Just for curiosity, I went to Jim Z's plan site and looked up a dozen OOP Estes designs that Semroc has brought back. Nowhere on the plans, decals or face cards is a Copyright "C".
Estes does not sell a fraction of the tubing sizes or nose cone designs available from Semroc. Semroc is providing a service that Estes hasn't claimed for a long time.
How can Estes claim a nose cone design when their own balsa nose cone profiles have changed a dozen times over the years?
Where does it end?
Will they contact me to quit producing the Odd'l Rockets Birdie?
I've sold a few over the past 10 months.
I'll stop making my version if they start producing their Birdie again.
I'd only make Estes mad if I were taking money out of their pockets.
Will Estes contact other companies that make models that are similar to theirs?
There are "sound alike" named kits with designs very close to Estes equivalents.
I've even seen reproduction kits with scanned Estes instructions and Estes logos on the decal sheets. I would think those vendors should be concerned.
Everyone involved, consumer and vendors alike were excited about the "new" Estes -
Until tonight.
Sorry to go on like this - I had to vent.
http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthread.php?p=123088#post123088
It's a sad day for rocketry.
After all the good will shown at the recent NARAM, Estes/Cox drops this bomb.
How is Semroc a threat to Estes?
Of all the reproduction vendors, Semroc has shown respect and tribute to Estes, Centuri, FSI and even Rock-a-Chute designs.
How can Estes claim they own the Copyright to the Saturn 1B or Arcas designs?
Just for curiosity, I went to Jim Z's plan site and looked up a dozen OOP Estes designs that Semroc has brought back. Nowhere on the plans, decals or face cards is a Copyright "C".
Estes does not sell a fraction of the tubing sizes or nose cone designs available from Semroc. Semroc is providing a service that Estes hasn't claimed for a long time.
How can Estes claim a nose cone design when their own balsa nose cone profiles have changed a dozen times over the years?
Where does it end?
Will they contact me to quit producing the Odd'l Rockets Birdie?
I've sold a few over the past 10 months.
I'll stop making my version if they start producing their Birdie again.
I'd only make Estes mad if I were taking money out of their pockets.
Will Estes contact other companies that make models that are similar to theirs?
There are "sound alike" named kits with designs very close to Estes equivalents.
I've even seen reproduction kits with scanned Estes instructions and Estes logos on the decal sheets. I would think those vendors should be concerned.
Everyone involved, consumer and vendors alike were excited about the "new" Estes -
Until tonight.
Sorry to go on like this - I had to vent.
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